Evidence of meeting #134 for Public Accounts in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cbsa.

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Diane Daly  As an Individual

2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

Arianne Reza.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Can you give me an example?

2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

I could tell you what my director general said to me. “So, you know, Diane, the matter is up to our deputy minister and their deputy minister, and the direction that I'm getting as a civil servant, and as you know, this is how it goes down. This is not an option. This is what we have to do.”

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

That deputy minister, Ms. Reza, obviously answers to the minister—a cabinet minister of the Government of Canada.

2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

She does.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Is it your impression that cabinet ministers were aware of the intense pressure and intimidation that you felt to participate in this process?

2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

I am going to refer back to one of the committee hearings, which I've reviewed, with the deputy minister. She clearly states that she didn't inform the minister until November. I know the minister, on November 28, took responsibility—well, what he knew of responsibility—in the press.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Who was that minister?

2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

Minister Duclos. I believe he has tried to do the right thing, but he wouldn't have known what was going on until at least the fall of 2023, because that's what Ms. Reza made comments to in her appearance before either OGGO or public accounts.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

In your opinion, did he do anything to rectify that?

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Thank you very much, Mr. Brock. That is your time. We will, I'm sure, come back to you.

Ms. Shanahan, you have the floor for six minutes, please.

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

Thank you very much, Chair.

I want to thank Ms. Daly for making herself available to answer questions today.

Ms. Daly, you'll have to forgive me. Your opening remarks were very detailed, and I'm not sure that I caught all of it.

I do hope that we will have the benefit of a printout of her remarks, just in case, Chair, not all of it was captured in the translation.

Ms. Daly, we have never met. Is that correct?

Okay.

Have you appeared before committee?

2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

I've never appeared before any committee.

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

Have you met any members of Parliament on this topic?

2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

I did read some testimony from OGGO, from one of the meetings in 2023, where your name was mentioned. Maybe it was the first time. I'm not sure if it was.

2:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

That would have been Ms. Ritika Dutt on October 26 at OGGO.

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

Can I ask you what your relationship was with those two people?

2:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

With Ritika Dutt?

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

Yes.

2:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

There was no relationship.

I'm sorry, but I do have to take water because of my medical condition.

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

Okay. I appreciate that.

2:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

I want to be clear. They were names on a résumé that was forwarded to one of the project managers. That project manager at CBSA did the evaluation, sent it back, and in my administrative role, I forwarded that on.

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

Did you have any conversations with this person?

2:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

No. I don't recall.