Public Accounts Committee on Aug. 7th, 2024

Evidence of meeting #134 for Public Accounts in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cbsa.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Report 1, ArriveCAN, of the 2024 Report 1 of the Auditor General of Canada

MPs speaking

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné

Also speaking

Diane Daly As an Individual

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

What for?

2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

Real property contracting.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Which department? Which minister?

August 7th, 2024 / 2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

Public Works.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Public works. Okay. Who else?

2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

She and my senior director made me come to a meeting on—

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Who is your senior director?

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As an Individual

Diane Daly

My apologies. He is Tom von Schoenberg.

From that meeting, I have a transcript of the audio, if you would like me to quote one of the lines that she stated...Lysane.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Was it recorded on consent?

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As an Individual

Diane Daly

It was recorded because I felt that I was being harassed and intimidated.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Do you still have that recording?

2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

I do.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Will you supply that recording to this committee?

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As an Individual

Diane Daly

I will.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Thank you. Go on.

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As an Individual

Diane Daly

Would it be okay if I cite one of the quotes from that meeting?

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Certainly.

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As an Individual

Diane Daly

“Okay, well, CBSA did contact us at the highest level of the department because their investigation is legitimate, and so it came down to us in terms of what we need to do as the procurement department in response to that. But I'm talking about you personally receiving threats of any nature, not in the context of normal business, which, like the CBSA did in reaching out to CBSA or to PSPC, is normal and is expected in the context of their normal business. I'm talking to you about feeling threatened outside normal requests that would be related to your work.”

That was one of the three quotes I got cited on the tape about senior officials.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Okay. This was a taped conversation between yourself and Lysane Bolduc.

2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

It was with Lysane Bolduc and Tom von Schoenberg on December 15.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

What other senior managers and what other political appointees muzzled you, which you referenced, and prevented you from speaking the truth? I want names and positions and departments, please.

2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

Let me ask the question: Are you asking me to say who is preventing me from speaking the truth?

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Yes.

2:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Diane Daly

As far as Lysane Bolduc, it was my deputy minister.