Evidence of meeting #144 for Public Accounts in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

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Navdeep Bains  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Ariane Calvert

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Point of order, Mr. Chair. Again, Mr. Bains is being suspected of making that decision at CIBC. It has nothing to do with SDTC. Can we stick to SDTC, please?

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Just a moment, Mr. Drouin.

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné Bloc Terrebonne, QC

Come on.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

The chair let you talk about what you wanted to talk about when it was your turn, Mr. Perkins and goodness knows what else. Mr. Bains is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, so he can answer the questions Ms. Sinclair‑Desgagné is respectfully asking him.

Ms. Sinclair‑Desgagné, you have the floor.

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné Bloc Terrebonne, QC

I think some people are afraid of the answers Mr. Bains might give.

I'll start over. Ms. Batool followed you to CIBC—

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Again, Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné Bloc Terrebonne, QC

That is a fact.

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

It has nothing to do with the decision. If Ms. Sinclair‑Desgagné suspects that Mr. Bains made the decision to hire—

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

I have a point of order.

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

—Ms. Batool, she should provide proof.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

You're beyond thin ice, because we just listened to you. The chair allowed you to go on for six minutes—

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

I was interrupted, too.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Yes, and I stopped the clock every time that happened to give you your time, but now, for you to jump in and say that another member who's trying to put questions to the witness can't be allowed to do so, I'm not sure who you think you are.

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Mr. Chair, I think about the relevancy of this. Why are we here? We are here to study SDTC, not CIBC, not Rogers, not anything else, just SDTC.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

The member's questions are going exactly in that direction.

Go ahead, Ms. Khalid.

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

On a point of order, I take exception to your questioning who Mr. Drouin thinks he is. He is a member of Parliament with the exact same privileges that we all have in this committee.

I don't think—

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné Bloc Terrebonne, QC

As am I.

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

Exactly. We have the privileges that we have within this committee, and I don't think that is something you should be calling out.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

That is correct, and Mr. Drouin was given an opportunity to speak.

Madame Sinclair-Desgagné is now speaking, and it's not up to Mr. Drouin to suddenly decide that what another member is asking is relevant or not.

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Why do we have points of order, Mr. Chair?

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Well, again, I ruled on it, and now I'm moving on.

Mr. Perkins, you also had a point of order.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

My point of order is about Mr. Drouin. From the moment I asked my first question, within the first minute, he was interrupting. He chose as a tactic to try and disrupt every single sentence I said.

He's now doing it to the Bloc member. It's a specific tactic to disrupt the committee, and because of his disruptive behaviour, I would ask you to consider that you not allow him to speak, or remove him from the committee.

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

I would ask the same favour for Mr. Perkins, who interrupted me.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Gentlemen, let's try to proceed with this.

I would ask that Madame Sinclair-Desgagné be allowed to continue her questioning.

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné Bloc Terrebonne, QC

I've been interrupted several times.