Evidence of meeting #43 for Public Accounts in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was independence.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.
I think you could clarify the rules. If an adjournment motion is rejected, there's nothing to preclude a subsequent adjournment motion with a condition associated to it being moved.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Theoretically, members could vote against this adjournment motion and then vote in favour of a subsequent adjournment motion with a specific condition attached to it.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
This motion has no condition attached to it.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Williamson
Keep talking it out. That is correct.
Are we clear?
Call the vote, please, Clerk.
We have five nays and five yeas. I vote nay, as well.
(Motion negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Williamson
I'm now going to recognize Mr. Genuis, who is on the speaking order.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Thank you, Chair. I hope we have a reasonable compromise.
I move that debate on this motion be adjourned until after we have a hearing with the CRA and ESDC on this report, at which time debate will resume and continue, and we'll conclude on the motion in the same meeting.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
It's debatable. Hopefully, we don't need to prolong it.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Williamson
That is debatable.
That was my question. Would you like to debate that, or would you like to vote on Mr. Genuis's—
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Williamson
Let me finish, Mr. Dong, so you know the options. You can debate it or you can vote on it, based on what Mr. Genuis just proposed, which is, basically, to push this off.
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Liberal
Han Dong Liberal Don Valley North, ON
I have a point of clarification, perhaps, through the clerk: Is this a dilatory motion—which means no debate—or a motion?
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Williamson
It's a motion. Debate can collapse. We have a vote, but it is debatable.
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Liberal
Han Dong Liberal Don Valley North, ON
It says to end a debate with a condition. That's why I have this question.
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The Clerk of the Committee Mr. Cédric Taquet
We just voted to not adjourn the debate on that motion. We'll continue the debate on that motion, so the motion first brought by Mr. Genuis is the motion before the floor. Now Mr. Genuis seems to have found a compromise among the members of the committee to have that debate adjourned to another time or meeting. That is my comprehension of what Mr. Genuis wants to do.
Thank you.
4:55 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Williamson
It is debatable. Members can choose to vote on it and push it off, or debate it.
I have Mr. Fragiskatos first, Mrs. Shanahan, but if it's—
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Liberal
Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC
On a point of order, are we not still debating the first motion? There was no vote taken on that motion.
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Conservative
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Liberal
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Williamson
Thank you, Mr. Clerk.
Mr. Genuis was attempting to find a compromise. The clerk corrected me. In fact, his original motion is still on the floor, but the statement he just made seeks to find a compromise, so I'm turning it back to the committee members to see whether they want to accept this compromise or continue to debate Mr. Genuis's original motion.
I'm going to stick with Mrs. Shanahan for a second, then I'll come to you, Mr. Desjarlais.