Evidence of meeting #32 for Public Safety and National Security in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was report.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Philip Rosen  Committee Researcher
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Louise Hayes

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

I see we have agreement.

Do we then want to start with some preliminary considerations on Tuesday? I don't know, but are there officials who might want to brief us on this? Where do we go from here, then?

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

My suggestion would be this. Certainly the two authors of the dissenting report are present, and they've been through the hearings. Mr. Norlock, Mr. Brown, and I have been involved in the report up to this point. So I would really think the more difficult time is going to be for the members of the official opposition to get up to speed on the whole report. So I'd really take their counsel—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

And defer to them.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

Yes. I'd take their counsel on what they would like to do, because I think it's important they feel comfortable with the report, before we—

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

I think the whole point of this.... I haven't read it yet, so I can't comment on what I'm going to have to say. I can assure this committee that I've read every Hansard of the subcommittee hearings, and I'm taking a suitcase full of the acts home this weekend to checkerboard what the recommendations are in relation to the other acts, but that's going to take some time.

Perhaps it wouldn't hurt to have an in camera meeting of our committee to go through it with the people who were part of the subcommittee, as they understand their recommendations and can explain their vision and why they did it. One of our members here was part of that and can explain their reasoning.

But I don't have a problem with doing a briefing on something else on one of the days next week that we were looking at, so we don't waste time. In fact I don't mind doing that and postponing this until afterwards. But I might be able to give you more direction on Tuesday, because I will spend most of the weekend looking at this.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

But practically speaking, shouldn't we decide today what we're going to do Tuesday?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

I think we should have a briefing on Tuesday, unless you want—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Are there officials who would be able to come before us? What kind of briefing are you expecting?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

I thought the briefing was on a totally different issue.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Oh, I thought you meant a briefing on your motion.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

No, no.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Okay.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

I'm just saying let's take some time. The only briefing I think might potentially be relevant is something from Justice on the Supreme Court decision, whatever that will be.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Boy, that's pretty short notice.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

That's why I'm saying they're going to have a time, and just reading that decision is going to have an impact too.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

How would they be able to give us a briefing worth anything with hardly any time to prepare?

I'm going to ask the clerk to explain to everybody what she just told me.

February 22nd, 2007 / 11:15 a.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Louise Hayes

I can suggest to the committee that we had arranged tentatively to do some briefings. One of them was on no-fly lists and the other one was on counterfeit goods. What I could suggest to the committee is that given the two meetings we have next week, we could spend one of those meetings as Ms. Barnes suggested and hold a briefing from members of the subcommittee on how they saw the report and their recommendations. We could do that on either Tuesday or Thursday.

If we were to do it on Tuesday, we could then decide either to consider the draft report on Thursday and formally begin that process, or if, for whatever reason, members of the main committee did not feel ready, we could do a briefing on no-fly lists, for example, following that meeting on Thursday.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Are you willing to tentatively put that before us?

So on Tuesday we would have a briefing on....

Mr. MacKenzie.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

Just let me understand what you're talking about. Who would the briefing be with?

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

I'm trying to get that too.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

I think the chair might be thinking we're having a briefing on the subcommittee.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

And that's not the case; we wouldn't be dealing with that at all. The briefing would be—

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

This is our regular business.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Who would do the—

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

We're doing other regular business, as we agreed earlier, which is the briefing on the no-fly lists that the clerk just mentioned. And remember, we probably won't even have the minority reports until Monday.