Evidence of meeting #33 for Public Safety and National Security in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was person.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marc Grégoire  Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport
Brion Brandt  Director, Security Policy, Department of Transport

Noon

Director, Security Policy, Department of Transport

Brion Brandt

It's important to keep in mind that the air carriers will have name, date of birth, and gender. So at the very outset, we're trying to eliminate the simple name match. In other words, it will be much more precise than just having the name. If you've got name, date of birth, and gender, that's when you start thinking about something.

Noon

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

You'll have all three.

We will have to suspend here for a moment. We are actually out of time.

How urgent is it, Ms. Mourani? Is it something that will really--

Noon

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Yes, I have an important question.

Noon

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Okay, can you make it brief?

Noon

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Yes, I will be very fast.

Mr. Grégoire, you said that the program would apply to persons who appear to be 12 years of age or more. That means there will be minors on the list.

How many minors are there currently on this list?

Noon

Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Noon

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Yes.

Noon

Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Marc Grégoire

There are none.

Noon

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

How many adults are on the list?

Noon

Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Marc Grégoire

We're preparing the list. We're not going to publish the number of persons on the list.

Noon

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Very well. If a nine-year-old child appears with his parents and seems to be 13 or 14 years old, will you do checks, since he seems to be 12 years old or more?

Noon

Director, Security Policy, Department of Transport

Brion Brandt

The purpose is to request the identification of persons who seem to be over 12. If we can verify that a person is not 12, it's not necessary for that person to have an identification card.

Noon

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

That means that young children will undergo this process, this trauma of being considered terrorists. Furthermore, teenagers risk being labelled as terrorists and having to undergo the entire verification process. That's what I understand.

Noon

Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Noon

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Furthermore...

Noon

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

As long as you know that the more time we have here, the less time we have with the minister, go ahead.

Noon

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

This is my final question.

A person has to be 12 years old or more to be on the list. Do being Arab or Muslim, having dual citizenship, wearing a beard or turban, being named Bin Laden or not, being named Mohammed Bin something or other, being born in a country like Iran or Syria, can all these characteristics mean that a person may appear on the list?

Noon

Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Noon

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

We will suspend for a few minutes, and I will welcome the minister.

Thank you very much.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Okay, I'd like to call this meeting to order. We're continuing with the second part of meeting number 33 of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security.

We would like to welcome the Minister of Public Safety, the Honourable Stockwell Day. We are dealing today, under Standing Order 108(2), with a study on the arming of Canada Border Service Agency officers.

We welcome you, Mr. Minister. If you have an opening statement, however long, you may go ahead and begin.

March 1st, 2007 / 12:05 p.m.

Okanagan—Coquihalla B.C.

Conservative

Stockwell Day ConservativeMinister of Public Safety

However long? That could be right up until my time of one o'clock, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the generosity, but I don't know if that would be shared by my colleagues.

I'll try to be brief, but there are some things I would like to address. And I appreciate the members' interest in this particular issue, and not just this, but the good work that's done by this committee on a variety of issues.

The whole question of security, as you know, and we've said it many times, is a priority for the government.

It is one of the Canadian government's priorities to have systems that guarantee the security of all its citizens from sea to sea, in the streets, in the cities, across the country. That is why an additional $1.4 billion was allocated to security in the 2006 budget.

It's clearly an area of priority. This government is committed to the safety and security of its citizens. That should be the prime goal of every government.

The $1.4 billion that was indicated in the 2006 budget--there have been additions since then--provided for resources in a number of areas. I think members here are aware and will recall that we made a commitment that there will be 1,000 more RCMP officers over the next four years, from coast to coast, in areas of federal policing. To accomplish that goal, last year in the budget there was a two-year commitment of $161 million to begin the training process, the retraining, and the building of training facilities--a depot in Regina. Again, that's a very clear commitment and a demonstration of what we want to see happen related to increased security.

On borders, which is the area of interest today, a few weeks ago I made an announcement related to enhancing our capabilities at the borders, mainly along the lines of technology. So $431 million was announced, and $390 million of that is for what we call the electronic manifest.

We're fast approaching the time when a huge portion of the truck traffic, if not all of it, will be forwarding their manifests electronically to the border stations they're approaching. Those manifests will include what is on board the truck, what is being shipped, who the driver is, who the brokers are, and who they deal with.

This demonstrates that we are focused on two areas: prosperity at the border so that business and low-risk travel can happen smoothly; and security, so we aren't allowing dangerous goods or individuals to come into the country.

When you look at what's involved at the border itself--$1.9 billion a day in trade--this is huge. The amount of trade just at the bridge from Windsor to Detroit is greater than the amount of trade that takes place between the United States and Japan. These are huge numbers. In a year, some 90 million people are checked crossing the borders, and 266,000 people a day are looked at, checked, and talked to in some way, either extensively or in a superficial fashion, related to their security risk.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

Point of order.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Stockwell Day Conservative Okanagan—Coquihalla, BC

Over 18,000 trucks cross that border every day.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Ms. Barnes.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

Thank you. I know we have very limited time here. We're not looking at the trade issue; we're looking at the arming of border guards. We'd like to have enough time to be able to question, so I respectfully ask the minister to concentrate on the issue that has brought him before us today. I'd be happy to hear the other things another day.

Thank you.