Thank you, Mr. Chair, and my thanks to the witnesses for appearing today.
At the beginning with witnesses, I just try to put a bit of context around where my questions will come from, because the NDP is opposed to this piece of legislation. For a variety of reasons, we think security certificates violate some very fundamental rights that people have. We would prefer to see these things dealt with under the Criminal Code, which some of you have talked about and some of you have not. Even with a special advocate, we don't think there's any way to guarantee the rights that people have.
I think I heard two groups speak to having this under the Criminal Code or looking at this as a criminal offence, as opposed to an immigration transgression or immigration offence. Mr. Mollard, I'm not sure if I heard you speak to it or not, so I'd like to ask if you have an opinion on this.