Mr. Charkaoui, you are certainly the most pleasant example, among the people who come to see us. Your case obviously calls into question the whole security certificate process. You were in Canada for four years, you were married, you have children who are Canadian citizens, your parents are here and CSIS got in touch with you to ask that you work as a double agent; when you refused, that's when your problems began.
As I've also said, when there is a lack of information, rumours circulate. Rumours are almost always worse than the truth, but that is the situation you find yourself in. There is a connection to be made here with an answer given by Mr. Zaccardelli when he was questioned about security certificates. He told us that at least that gave him the chance to stop someone from becoming a Canadian citizen.
Furthermore, you absolutely fit the profile of a member of a sleeper cell. A sleeper cell has members who, as citizens, are beyond reproach, because they want to go unnoticed. As a result, they lead a life that is beyond reproach. I don't know whether I fit the profile of a sleeper cell agent—I probably have too many flaws for that. But that's what a sleeper cell is, is it not?
However, you have travelled a great deal and I would like you to explain why you travelled that much and whether you took those trips with your family. Were these trips taken for the purposes of tourism or study? Of course, the judge that heard your case was probably more concerned about your trip to Pakistan and the people you met with there.