Evidence of meeting #17 for Public Safety and National Security in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cases.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Yves Dufour  Director General, Laboratoire de sciences judiciaires et de médecine légale
Raymond Prime  Director, Centre of Forensic Sciences
Jonathan Newman  Deputy Director, Centre of Forensic Sciences
Diane Séguin  Deputy Director , Laboratoire de sciences judiciaires et de médecine légale
Frédérick Laberge  Laboratoire de sciences judiciaires et de médecine légale

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Director, Centre of Forensic Sciences

Dr. Raymond Prime

The Province of Ontario pays for it. We just take it on as a case.

We try to treat the defence counsel the same as we treat the police and the crown attorneys.

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Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

I have one science question. Which body samples provide the best DNA? Is it the hair or the saliva? Do you have a preference? Is one body substance more reliable than another?

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Deputy Director, Centre of Forensic Sciences

Jonathan Newman

In terms of a pristine comparison sample taken specifically from an individual for purposes of comparing it to a crime scene sample, the preferred sample is a blood sample. It strikes the appropriate balance between ease of sampling and ability to obtain a sufficient amount of DNA that can then be easily tested. So a blood sample is the best.

When you talk about a crime scene sample, it's a very difficult question to answer. It depends on the amount of sample available, the conditions in which it's been stored, etc. As Ray has pointed out, we receive everything at the laboratory, including the kitchen sink.

So for a sample from an individual, a blood sample is the best sample for our purposes. For crime scene samples, the more body fluid present, the better, but again, it depends on how it's been stored.

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Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Am I wrong in my recollection that when offenders are obliged to provide a sample to the data bank that it's typically hair or saliva?

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Deputy Director, Centre of Forensic Sciences

Jonathan Newman

It's blood.

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Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

It is blood. I am wrong.

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

If there are no more questions, we'll suspend for a brief time and allow our witnesses to vacate the table.

We want to thank you very much. We're going to go into an in camera session. Your testimony has been very helpful and we appreciate it. Thank you very much.

We'll suspend for a brief moment.

[Proceedings continue in camera]