What I'm saying is that we don't have to continue to think about them as always being mutually exclusive. That's the challenge of the society that we live in. We have to protect our citizens. That's probably the number one role of government right now—physical security, integrity, safety. Those are basic human rights. Also, a basic human right is privacy, which means autonomy, which means freedom, which means our sense of liberty.
We have to organize, in our society, our processes and our laws in new ways to preserve them both so that one intrudes the least possible on the other. This is the challenge, because in the late 20th century Canada was fortunate in having a minimum of national security threats. Our privacy just came naturally because we were not a society under any kind of threat, compared to other societies where there were long histories of wars, invasion, persecutions, and so on. As we go forward, I am saying they are not in themselves, by nature, always mutually exclusive. That's what we have to aim to do.