That jibes, because in August and September I toured nine institutions in British Columbia, clustered in the Fraser Valley. There were vacancies all over the place for psychologists, occupational therapists, and substance abuse counsellors, because they just cannot attract them.
My last question is on 12-step programs. I found that there was a real lack of 12-step program presence in every institution I was in. There seem to be some barriers to that, because inmates are not necessarily the best population in which to conduct 12-step member-based programs.
Do you have any comment on ways to get the community involved in our prisons to help expose those prisoners to 12-step programs, which seem to have a lot of success?