Okay. I'll wind up.
I think the last thing I want to say, then, is that strengthening the community sector so that it can handle many more minor offenders with mental illness and substance abuse issues, whether they are diverted from the courts or released from periods in the Correctional Service of Canada, is an absolute requirement if these troubled individuals are to stabilize successfully out of institutional care.
I recommend strongly to you that you look not just at institutional programs but at the correctional services programs that the federal service provides out in the community. Agencies such as St. Leonard's Society and Operation Springboard in Toronto, which I know well, are excellent examples of agencies that can support people once they come back into the community.
We're very pleased to be here with you to represent the commission, and I'm more than pleased, Mr. Chair, to engage in conversation. Thanks a lot.