Mr. Chair, let me follow up with a comment on Mr. Rathgeber's question about the difficulties in getting secondary offences and about applications not being made for them.
In my conversations with some prosecutors, they've indicated to me informally that one of the problems prosecutors face in their jurisdiction is that judges are reluctant to issue secondary orders for DNA for convicted offenders and that as a result of that the prosecutors are discouraged from making these applications. They already don't want to upset the judge before them with respect to sentencing considerations they have and they are basically imposing a limitation on themselves from making the applications.