There is no doubt that DNA plays a big role now, even in terms of files that come across your desk. Five or ten years ago, when it was very expensive to test, you wouldn't get many DNA cases except in murders and very serious sexual offences. I think now our members understand. We have a lot more programs in forensics. It does play a big role. You get them in a number of cases.
That said, I don't think we're at the point where we just throw up our hands and say, every time there is DNA in a case, that we give up. A number of defences still come into play. Even in sexual assault cases, they may have DNA, but consent may be a defence that you still run. It does play, obviously, a big role.