I'm referring to the fact that the U.S. no-fly list is going to be de facto imposed on Canadians for a raft of reasons and is in fact imposed now for various means. I suggest that the confusion we were seeing in this committee has to do with which list is which, and who's who, and what the Canadian no-fly list is. When these people are stopped, do we read about it in the newspaper? What does that mean? Is it Canada, the U.S., Liberia? Where is it from?
There is such a Byzantine complex of systems right now. I do not believe, and every radio call-in show that I've been on in relation to this subject convinced me, that Canadians do not know what is going on.