When I work inside the system I'm trying to regard people I see as my patients, but I think the primary objective of many staff and correctional systems is security, so that tension is always there. Obviously, individuals within the system may find certain things helpful at certain times, but I don't see that the overall ethos of the prison environment, for many prison environments, is conducive to improving mental health. Over the 16 years I've worked, I've worked with many different wardens and management systems, and I think the prison warden is the person who can influence the prison ethos.
I don't know how many of the 56 Canadian federal penitentiaries are conducive to improving mental health. Obviously, you've heard some examples from previous witnesses of things that have been successful. I think we need to identify the ones that are successful, and we need to describe them and describe what's working and laud them, commend them, and give them medals, because that's what we need to see more of.