Well, we've obviously seen this first-hand, through Brenda. Some might argue that it was a provincial situation and it can't apply federally, but I know of other instances internationally where they are using that same model.
For example, I visited Styal prison in the U.K., where there are 450 women of all different securities, from murderers down to those on remand, and that prison doesn't use segregation. They haven't for the last three years. They instituted that because of the high suicide rate. As a result, I think they've had only one suicide in three or four years with 450 women.
So it is possible to do. It has to be a paradigm shift in the way we look at doing corrections in Canada. It will take a major shift in terms of attitudes among the staff, as Brenda has experienced, but it is possible, and the results will speak for themselves.
Thank you.