One more point and then I will ask my more open-ended questions.
Ms. Martin, you said in your presentation—I must confess that I do not understand this very well—that incarceration could be seen as an opportunity for inmates to improve their mental health and turn their lives around.
We visited a certain number of federal penitentiaries. We even went elsewhere, but we are talking just about Canada here. Indeed, what I saw would not help these people improve their mental health or turn their lives around. We are talking about people suffering from mental disorders. I noted that these people were given more treatment in segregation. Yes, certain federal institutions did have other ways of operating. So I'm wondering about this sentence: is incarceration a solution for people suffering from mental illness?