I share those concerns in terms of how you would define it. Right now, as Louise Arbour said, as the Human Rights Commission said, as virtually everybody who has reviewed this has said, that's an ongoing concern. It's usually the prisoner's word against the staff.
I'll just take Ashley Smith's case again, because all this is about to come out publicly. When it was documented that she was out of control, and then you view videotapes that showed just the opposite, it's hard to imagine how.... She might very well have been deemed a vexatious griever had she had the opportunity, or had her grievances been taken seriously. In the end, she hardly filed. She didn't file that many. And the ones she did file were pretty serious grievances. But they weren't taken seriously anyway.
Your concern about how you get a mechanism for review is very legitimate. Our concern is that the law already provides for all of the kinds of reviews that.... Mr. Leef talked about the fact that you can review someone who has been labelled a vexatious griever. There's nothing precluding that right now from happening. Anything that would increase the standard for the ability of prisoners to actually argue this.... I don't know how they could legitimately ever be able to do that.