They have a list. Do you know what tool they have? Okay, I have the name of Michelle on my list. Boom, I'm calling Michelle. Michelle is transferring my call to somebody else. With the technology we have now with the cellphone.... We're talking about contraband. They like to have a cellphone. We know that some people are still doing their business. They are inside and they're still doing their business outside. Is there pressure on family? Of course. When we decided to take tobacco out of jail, it was about the money inside. Give me three packs of smokes; that represents two pieces of drugs. Good. Now we take out the money like tobacco there. What they're trying to do is put pressure outside: ask your wife to go and make a term deposit of $400 into that bank account.
You were talking about Drumheller. I visited that place two years ago, and it's true. I was proud to finally see a place where staff can have that information. Two years ago I visited Drumheller, the big board in the staff room. Well, it's not like this everywhere. In some places you don't have all the information like this. It's like secret intelligence. They like to keep that information for them. That's another problem. It's our problem because it's all related to everything. If somebody was telling me more information about the gang inside, if I'm a correctional officer, it would be better for me to have better ears.
And the pressure on the family.... I was talking about a mother, a grandmother. I saw a grandmother who was crying when she called the institution--the pressure on her. They have access by cellphone. They have their list of numbers they can call. And, like I told you, I'm calling Michelle: do you want to transfer me to another place?