Those tools have to apply with the management of population. That's what I was saying: the management of the population is so important.
There are so many problems there. In some institutions you've got nine kinds of population. There's the population where this inmate cannot talk with this inmate.
We don't make a separation between somebody who is engaged and somebody who is not engaged. I'm going to use the same example as Mr. Head. I'm inside with Michel. Michel is following his plan. I wonder why I would do that when I have the same privileges as him. I've got the same tools. I have everything.
That's the problem we have tried to fix for a long time, since 2001. UCCO were involved in the regime. We sent Mr. Grabowsky to Ottawa for four months to sit on committees. We never succeeded. We never got anywhere with that. The reply we got on the law at that time was what is a right and what is a privilege?
That's still going on. The new law is maybe going to succeed in trying to make a difference, but it's huge.