Public Safety Committee on June 19th, 2012

[Françoise Boivin, NDP, Gatineau, QC]

Non-restricted.

[Vic Toews, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

Okay. Yes.

[Françoise Boivin, NDP, Gatineau, QC]

That's where we have such a clear and simple answer. So you do think that it would be recreating it through a back door?

[Vic Toews, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

Yes.

[Françoise Boivin, NDP, Gatineau, QC]

Where is the criminal offence that used to be there with the gun registry, and so doing by your CFOs, which I've always understood was the main problem with your CSSA, who's part of your team of advisers and so on?

What was hurting at the time was that they felt criminalized. How come if I go to RadioShack and buy the computer that you talked about or even if I buy a non-restricted gun and they ask for my name, how does it make me feel as if I'm guilty of something? It's just keeping a record. Doesn't it make sense with guns?

[Vic Toews, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

That's the difference between socialist and free enterprise people. You simply don't understand how that stigmatizes the legitimate ownership of a firearm where there is no bona fide reason to keep that record, and so all we're saying—

[Françoise Boivin, NDP, Gatineau, QC]

For a car that I buy I should feel as a socialist that—

[Vic Toews, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

All I'm pointing out is that there is a fundamental difference between the way you and I perceive property. You don't believe that anyone owns anything. The state owns it. As a socialist, that's what you believe.

[Françoise Boivin, NDP, Gatineau, QC]

Don't put words in my mouth. I've never said that, but I do believe that it's nice to keep records of certain things.

[The Chair, Conservative, Kevin Sorenson]

Okay. Our time—

[Vic Toews, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

In any event, there is a fundamental difference between the way you and I view property.

[Françoise Boivin, NDP, Gatineau, QC]

When you have nothing to say, you go back to the socialists.

[Vic Toews, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

Let me finish.

[The Chair, Conservative, Kevin Sorenson]

Very quickly, we are over time here.

[Vic Toews, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

All I'm saying is that when you go to someone and say, if you don't keep that record we're pulling your licence, we're pulling your business, you, as a socialist, say, it's just a business.

[Françoise Boivin, NDP, Gatineau, QC]

And your car?

[Vic Toews, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

We believe that is fundamental to the integrity of the person.

[Françoise Boivin, NDP, Gatineau, QC]

And your car?

[The Chair, Conservative, Kevin Sorenson]

Thank you.

We're going to go back now to Madam Hoeppner, please, for seven minutes.

[Candice Bergen, Conservative, Portage—Lisgar, MB]

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister. I want to give you an opportunity to just finish your explanation because you're right. In the NDP maybe some of them don't consider themselves socialists, maybe they even go further. Some of them consider themselves communists.

[An hon. member]

Oh, come on.

[Candice Bergen, Conservative, Portage—Lisgar, MB]

I think one of yours is a member, or was a member, of the Communist Party.

[An hon. member]

Come on.

[Jean Rousseau, NDP, Compton—Stanstead, QC]

On a point of order, being associated with communists has no relevance over here, absolutely no—

[The Chair, Conservative, Kevin Sorenson]

Okay, let's rephrase. I'll take that as a point of order.