In terms of the level of proof required in this case, the mens rea is quite high. So to that degree, we're comforted by that. But we are very concerned that we continue to criminalize, not just with respect to these training offences but by increasing the penalties. I mean, the first half of this bill discusses increasing penalties for crimes that are already in the Criminal Code.
This focus on criminalization really neglects that we have to start having a conversation about rehabilitation and reintegration, and we are not having that conversation.