Mr. Chair, I think it's important to point out that the charter is not breached. The charter recognizes that there are times when courts need to make decisions about whether to enforce certain rights given the larger interests of society as a whole. That's exactly the kind of determination that will have to be made under this legislation.
The charter envisions and allows that kind of a distinction to be made by our courts. When that distinction is made, when the courts decide, it's under the charter. It is allowed by the charter. It's authorized by the charter. It's recognized by the charter, and it is charter compliant. There is no breaching of the charter. The charter is simply interpreted in such a way that CSIS is allowed by the courts to take measures or not to take measures that they propose. There should never be any talk about breaking the charter, because it's never breached.