To my colleague, Ms. Damoff, I would think it would be incredibly naive to suggest that any agency would act on information or intelligence that was gathered solely through the use of any torture. I want to make it very clear, as Mr. Calkins just said, that my dislike for this amendment does not in any way, and should not in any way, suggest that I support the use of torture to gather information.
But I think we need to give credit to our security agencies who would have other corroborating pieces of evidence and intelligence that would support further information that might be received from another country in regard to this. It would only add support or add clarity around some issues. I think it would be important to appreciate that we don't have experts to speak on this here today. We should probably hear from them in regard to that. I'm just concerned with blanket statements that suggest we might put the Canadian public at risk or national security at risk because we do or we don't deal with this.
There's a bigger picture we have to look at here.