Evidence of meeting #108 for Public Safety and National Security in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was debate.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

John Davies  Director General, National Security Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Sophie Beecher  Director of Intelligence Policy, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Ari Slatkoff  General Counsel, Department of Justice
Douglas Breithaupt  Director and General Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Glenn Gilmour  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

8:05 p.m.

Director and General Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Sven Spengemann Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Mr. Motz, are you satisfied with that?

8:05 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

Yes, thank you.

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Is there any other debate?

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We'll go to NDP-87

Mr. Dubé.

Matthew Dubé NDP Beloeil—Chambly, QC

Thank you.

This is, as you've said before, a fallback position. Given that the amendments to repeal the entities listing have been defeated, this amendment seeks to change the period of publication of the results of the review of listed entities. So rather than using the wording “without delay” the wording would be “within five years.” So it is prescribing a time.

This comes from a recommendation out of the Canadian Bar Association.

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Mr. Picard.

Matthew Dubé NDP Beloeil—Chambly, QC

If I may just correct myself, instead of “within five years”, it's “without delay.” I apologize for that.

The Chair Liberal John McKay

That's perfectly understandable.

Matthew Dubé NDP Beloeil—Chambly, QC

It's late.

The Chair Liberal John McKay

And it's getting later.

Michel Picard Liberal Montarville, QC

I would like to ask our experts one or two questions.

If an entity remains on the list, it remains there after the review, but if it is removed from the list, does the de-listing take effect at the moment of the decision or when it is published in the Canada Gazette?

8:10 p.m.

Director and General Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Douglas Breithaupt

I don't have a firm answer on that, but the Governor in Council would have made the decision to delist.

8:10 p.m.

Director General, National Security Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

John Davies

We'd have to get back to you on that, but the assumption is to meet as soon as possible after the Governor in Council decision and that decision would be made public. I would have to confirm that. Sorry.

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Are you satisfied with that, Mr. Picard?

Michel Picard Liberal Montarville, QC

Give me two seconds, please.

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Mr. Motz.

8:10 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

If it's agreeable to the committee, can we suspend this until the officials have a chance to confer? We could keep going but suspend this until either somebody else can confirm it or tomorrow morning.

The Chair Liberal John McKay

We still have a vote, though.

Michel Picard Liberal Montarville, QC

Does this amendment have any impact on any other amendment coming?

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Everything affects everything; that's the problem.

Michel Picard Liberal Montarville, QC

I know. That's my family story.

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Yes.

In normal circumstances I'd suggest Mr. Motz's suggestion makes perfectly good sense. Unfortunately though, if we suspend and don't deal with.... What are we on? LIB-52...?

Michel Picard Liberal Montarville, QC

I'll try another question.

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Sorry, we're on NDP....

Now I'm confused, but sorry, I can't move without suspending the whole clause.