Evidence of meeting #157 for Public Safety and National Security in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was security.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mark Ryland  Director, Office of the Chief Information Officer, Amazon Web Services, Inc.
Richard Fadden  As an Individual
Steve Drennan  Director, Cybersecurity, ADGA Group
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Naaman Sugrue

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Jim Eglinski Conservative Yellowhead, AB

More consistency?

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Director, Cybersecurity, ADGA Group

Steve Drennan

So that all government departments can have the same clearance. If an entity or a person is trusted to a level of information or a caveat of information, they should be trusted equally wherever they go. They shouldn't need different clearances for different organizations inside Canada.

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Conservative

Jim Eglinski Conservative Yellowhead, AB

There's no standard with a national set of rules that you have to meet to get to a certain level?

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Director, Cybersecurity, ADGA Group

Steve Drennan

Absolutely.

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Conservative

Jim Eglinski Conservative Yellowhead, AB

Okay.

I have one quick question; I think I've got about two minutes left?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Yes.

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Conservative

Jim Eglinski Conservative Yellowhead, AB

You spoke briefly about artificial intelligence. I've studied it in a couple of different committees other than this one. Do you think that in time artificial intelligence will be able to do cybersecurity better than we can do it personally ourselves right now?

5:15 p.m.

Director, Cybersecurity, ADGA Group

Steve Drennan

I think the interesting way to look at artificial intelligence—hopefully it's not one of those bad movies that we've seen—and the way I've seen it being deployed now is that it can assist the operators. So when you have a security operations centre and you have operators who are very hard to recruit, build and keep, and you only have so many of them, they can make it a lot easier by reducing the datasets that you need to deal with and pre-making decisions, populating and making it very easy for you to make key decisions. So if you think of them as cyber assistance to help you get through all the terabytes of data and make your job easier and more focused, that's the way I think artificial intelligence machine learning is at its best for cyber.

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Conservative

Jim Eglinski Conservative Yellowhead, AB

You don't want to feed them so much.

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Director, Cybersecurity, ADGA Group

Steve Drennan

You can feed them everything; just don't let them press the button on everything.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

I want to thank Mr. Drennan on behalf of the committee for a very fascinating period of time and discussing things that Mr. Graham is pretty well the only one who understood.

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Director, Cybersecurity, ADGA Group

Steve Drennan

Thank you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Thank you again.

Colleagues, the subcommittee will start in two minutes.

The meeting is adjourned.