I just want to go back to a question that was posed earlier about travel at the border. I think there are domestic concerns that are important enough when it comes to things like jobs and volunteering and so forth. I just want to make sure we're distinguishing something here, because there seems to be an argument that a pardon or a record suspension is better because it provides documentation.
I have two comments about that. One is there's nothing that would prevent the government from keeping a record of records that were expunged if people so requested. It seems like a bit of a contradiction, but ultimately, that would be feasible. The other piece is that in your testimony you were referring not so much as to whether it is important or not to have documentation, but to the fact that even if you have a record suspension, it is not necessarily recognized by the Americans, so there's no guarantee even there that your travel would be facilitated.