Evidence of meeting #16 for Public Safety and National Security in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was health.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Paul Boissonneault  President, Fire Chief, County of Brant Fire Department, Canadian Association of Fire Chiefs
Scott Marks  Assistant to the General President, Canadian Operations, International Association of Fire Fighters
Steve Schnitzer  Chair, Human Resources and Learning Committee, Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police
Jennifer Evans  Chief, Peel Regional Police Service, Peel Regional Police
Jason Godin  President, Union of Canadian Correctional Officers
Gord Robertson  Vice-President, Union of Canadian Correctional Officers

12:15 p.m.

Chief, Peel Regional Police Service, Peel Regional Police

Chief Jennifer Evans

Peel Regional Police recognize and value our personnel as being vital to our success and ensuring the safety of those who work and play in our community. We recognize it is so important to take care of the people who are taking care of the community.

In 2008 we established an organizational wellness bureau. We know that creating a healthy workplace is a commitment to a journey and not just a destination. The mandate of the organizational wellness bureau is aligned with strategic goals, namely a member-focused workplace. This simply means that we want to ensure the health and the well-being of our employees.

In our organizational wellness bureau we have a staff sergeant in charge, and currently he overseas a health nurse, a fitness coordinator, a wellness coordinator, a chaplain coordinator, an early intervention strategy coordinator, as well as an addiction coordinator.

Among the health and the wellness resources that we provide in Peel Regional Police to our employees, we have a chaplaincy program. We have five chaplains who provide on-site spiritual counselling. We also provide on-site access to massage therapy, chiropractic care, physiotherapy, dental hygiene, and dietitian services. We also provide access to legal, financial, and family support services, as well as health-coaching services, with naturopathic and nutritional support.

We have a safeguarding program, which is mandated within Peel Police. I ensure that my officers attend annual psychological assessments. These are for the employees who work in the Internet childhood exploitation unit. We're now currently expanding this to include other units, such as the tech crimes unit, the special victims unit, the major collision bureau, our organizational wellness bureau, our homicide bureau, the communications staff who dispatch all the calls, the forensic identification unit, our courts unit, and our major drugs and vice unit.

We have 84 members who are peer support. We've had a peer support team for over 30 years in Peel.

We do educational “lunch and learns” entitled “Boosting Your Positive Outlook” or “Coping with Teenagers” or “Dealing with Seasonal Stress”. These are all designed to offer coping strategies to our employees to help them reduce their stress.

We provide wellness family nights at which we educate families on what to expect and how to prepare and support their loved ones in our stress-filled life.

We also have a database that is an early intervention system. This is a system that tracks prospective risk indicators and flags opportunities for early intervention. It tracks public complaints, use-of-force incidents, internal affairs investigations, our sick time, and exposure to some tragic calls, such as fatal motor vehicle collisions, attending a child death scene, or suicides.

We have 12 members who are assigned to a critical incident response team. They go out and deal with situations. They do debriefings after exposure to serious and/or tragic circumstances.

We also provide a directory of health professionals, and we have a return to work program.

In 2015 we launched our road to mental readiness, R2MR, training, which is mandated training for all employees at all levels in my organization. It's not only helping them understand mental health issues in themselves and co-workers, but is also a stigma-reducing program designed to teach coping mechanisms, acceptance and support of co-workers, as well as strengthening personal resilience. To date we have trained more than 2,600 employees, including 23 of my senior officers.

This is a program, I'm sure you're aware, that was initially created by the Canadian military. After years of trying to use the program to benefit municipal police officers, we were finally permitted to use similar training.

One request that I would respectfully ask is that this committee identify ways to allow training material to pass from the federal government, i.e., the military, to provincial and municipal agencies that could benefit.

I understand that police agencies were only allowed to begin using the R2MR because the Canadian Mental Health Association became the conduit in which to transfer the knowledge. I can tell you that we're hearing really positive feedback as a result of this training.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

I'm going to ask you to wind up quickly.

Thank you.

12:20 p.m.

Chief, Peel Regional Police Service, Peel Regional Police

Chief Jennifer Evans

We are currently working with Dr. Judith Andersen and her team from the University of Toronto. I believe she testified before you. The program is called the international performance resilience and efficiency program, or iPREP. Her research project is going to be studying the impact of learned resiliency techniques on officer performance in the field.

We have also launched a campaign, “reducing the stigma”. This is to increase mental health awareness and encourage self-reporting.

The topic of occupational stress injury and post-traumatic stress disorder is something we have been focusing on for quite some time in Peel. Now we are so encouraged that this has become a topic of national attention and importance. This is a significant issue that requires that we create and communicate a clear strategy. It also requires a commitment, because I do not believe that one program alone will solve this issue. Peel Regional Police continue to look for opportunities to improve mental health in the workplace through collaboration and research.

I would like to thank each of you for allowing me to speak today. I also look forward to responding to any questions you may have.

Thank you.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Thank you very much, Chief. Thank you for taking time out of your conference to fit into our schedule. Mind you, sometimes that quite fun, to get out of a conference, as I know.

12:25 p.m.

Chief, Peel Regional Police Service, Peel Regional Police

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

I'll turn to our correctional officers. Who is going to go first?

Mr. Godin.

12:25 p.m.

Jason Godin President, Union of Canadian Correctional Officers

Thank you for the invitation to speak to this committee on this very important subject. Our unique workplace exacts an exceptionally heavy toll on front-line correctional officers, and we are pleased to finally have a forum to discuss measures to address the urgent issue of our members' exposure to mental health injuries.

As the representatives of some 7,400 correctional officers at federal institutions across Canada, UCCO-SACC-CSN is well positioned to ensure that the correctional officer perspective is taken into account in this conversation. Our unique work environment merits that officers continue to have a place at the table during this ongoing discussion.

We are the first responders in the truest sense. We are paramedics, we are police officers, and we are firefighters behind the walls of Canada's federal prisons. We are responsible for policing inmates who could not follow some basic rules in society. It is our duty to ensure that these same inmates follow the rules inside of our institutions. Let me assure you that this role does not always endear us with our inmate clientele.

At the same time, correctional officers are responsible for the safety and security of these inmates. It is correctional officers who must respond when inmate gangs go to war, or who must act to protect vulnerable inmates from attacks by other predators inside.

In each instance, when officers intervene, there is a real possibility that any of the inmates involved will turn on the officers with the intent of inflicting grievous bodily harm. As a result of the unpredictable human behaviour that we deal with every day, 88% of our use of force incidents are spontaneous .

We are the ones who must often compensate for the lack of nursing staff after hours and on weekends. We are the first responders for suicide attempts and for any medical emergencies. For example, in 2010 our members were directly involved in 1,800 medical interventions across Canada in federal institutions. In the last fiscal period of 2014-15, our members were involved in over 2,000 medical interventions.

In the correctional environment, where rates of infectious diseases are higher than any other community in the country, it is our officers' duty to administer CPR to inmates in distress, only a few centimetres away from an inmate's face, usually covered in bodily fluids.

We are clearly the forgotten-about public safety officers who are not in the spotlight of the public eye, within a system that most Canadians would prefer to ignore. Unfortunately, the traumatic effects of the work that we do is not often recognized.

Let me give you an example. I'll recall a personal example where I attended Millhaven after the fatal shooting of an inmate. Another inmate was very seriously shot as well. I remember walking into the institution. The first words out of the officer who had to fire those shots were, “Jason, I tried everything to stop it. I tried, I tried, I tried.” Right from that point, we could tell he was suffering very severely from that incident.

There was also another inmate who was injured in that incident. A few days later I had an opportunity to talk to the officers who responded to that. In that case, those officers had to go into the gymnasium, pull another injured inmate out, and they had to hold his stomach together on the way to the hospital in the ambulance. They eventually saved the inmate's life after eight hours of surgery. If you want to talk about a critical incident, there's a good example of where we're doing both. We're the police officer. We're also the paramedic in that particular situation.

I myself have been personally involved in fires, slashings. I've been assaulted, and I've performed CPR on inmates.

Historically, and despite available evidence of higher incidence of mental stress injuries, correctional officer mental health has received no special attention. Although exact statistics are often difficult to establish, it is noteworthy that all serious studies into the matter have revealed that rates of PTSD and PTSD-like illnesses are quite high amongst our group.

Our stress is cumulative with years of service, so stress for us increases with years of service, which is normally the opposite of most public service jobs, where stress decreases with years of service.

A 1992 study by Lois Rosine placed the rate of occurrence at 17%, just behind post-war Vietnam veterans. During recent testimony by the assistant deputy minister of Public Safety, Ms. Lori MacDonald, before the present committee, she testified that 36% of respondents to a survey suffered from PTSD in corrections.

One thing is certain: correctional officers are repeatedly exposed to traumatic events, perpetrated by some of Canada's most violent inmates, as we fulfill our public safety duties on the front lines within the country's penitentiary system. In addition, conditions such as shift work and conflicting workplace roles, security versus caregiving, create an environment that is conducive to psychological injury.

We have been encouraged by the recent adoption of R2MR, the road to mental readiness program, at CSC. We believe this program meets a very special need of our fine men and women in uniform, and it is undoubtedly a step in the right direction. Our deputy minister is very much behind the program.

However, much more needs to be done to help officers and their families deal with the fallout of the traumatic events they will inevitably encounter at work. Funding for such initiatives needs to be increased and recurrent, rather than a strain on already stretched departmental budgets.

We believe that correctional officers deserve to receive the best possible resilience training available in order to minimize the risk of mental stress injury as much as possible. In the course of the discharge of our union duties, we come across many officers who are psychologically damaged as a result of workplace stressors they have encountered.

Frequently, these officers come to us after a workers' compensation board has denied their claim for mental stress. Sometimes it is the WCB's policy that does not recognize their specific path to psychological injury. Far too often, it is their manager who has not been supportive of their claim. We have seen letters from managers that do not support claims for recognition of PTSD on the grounds that violence is a normal condition of our employment.

I have another example for you from Miramichi, where we had an officer suffer an exposure that we refer to, and excuse my language, as a shit bomb. That is bodily fluids that have all been compiled together and thrown at an officer. This particular case was extremely terrible. In this case, the officer put the claim in, and of course it came back with the response that “this is a normal condition of your employment”. We don't know of a workplace in this country where that is a normal condition of your employment.

In another example of employer disengagement, cases of correctional officers whose injury on duty prevents them from working for beyond 130 days have their pay files transferred to workers' compensation. For officers suffering from PTSD, who are disproportionately represented in this group of officers, the changeover to direct pay represents financial hardship for our members, an additional stress. In addition, the officers' benefits are different depending on the province of employment.

These examples highlight the need for all stakeholders to better understand the effects of their decisions on the officer whose psyche was damaged in the course of duty. We believe that better-educated managers would be less likely to make decisions such as these, which have severe negative impacts on officers suffering from PTSD. More work also needs to be done to favour early recognition of problem signals by co-workers and managers. This can only be achieved through better education.

Recent initiatives have given reason to hope that we are moving away from such ignorance of the problem. This committee is itself reason to believe that the government whom we serve in the interests of public safety intends to take the matter of our mental health seriously. Mr. Trudeau's electoral commitments to UCCO-SACC-CSN on the subject of mental health are a welcome sign that our officers' plight will be given the attention it deserves.

For those who exceed their resilience limits, two provinces, Ontario and Manitoba, have adopted a presumption that recognizes that correctional officers, as first responders, are at an elevated risk of incurring mental stress injuries. The legislation in these two provinces presumes that the mental health injury is a result of the workplace incident.

We believe that the federal government has a role to play to ensure that officers who are victims of mental health injuries are subject to the same presumption, independent of the province of employment. Employee assistance programs also need to be reinforced and adapted to our members' heightened-risk reality in order to help them and their families get on with their lives. The most effective correctional officer should have access to state-of-the-art treatment centres dedicated to their needs.

Finally, in order to best align resources on this matter, research resources need to be allocated in order to improve our officers' prospects for the future.

I thank you for listening.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Very good. Thank you very much.

Ms. Damoff.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Thank you all for being here and also for the work that you've done on this issue. It's something that's important, as you mentioned, to our government and to everyone on this committee, and we welcome your being here today.

I'm going to start with the police. I'm wondering whether you have any statistics on suicides among police officers across the country and how many suicides you have had? Do you have access to that data?

12:35 p.m.

Chair, Human Resources and Learning Committee, Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police

Steve Schnitzer

We don't have it readily available. One of the issues we face across the country in policing is a lack of data. Our committee is composed of 26 individuals from fairly major departments across Canada, but certainly not every police department. We have tried in the past to get some of this data.

One thing that hampers us is that every agency that is a member of the CACP often has problems trying to figure out who really is in need within their agency, because it has to be self-disclosed by police officers and support staff.

I don't know whether Chief Evans has more to say on this, but that is often a frustration of police HR departments—trying to really get a handle on the situation.

12:35 p.m.

Chief, Peel Regional Police Service, Peel Regional Police

Chief Jennifer Evans

We have not been tracking suicides because we have been unable to identify whether the suicide is attributed to the workplace or to personal issues.

I know that just in recent times the police chiefs—in Ontario, at least—are starting to look at and collect the data, because we've have had recent suicides that have actually occurred within the police departments.

We are starting to look at it.

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

The other side of this is the personal issues being caused by what's happening in the workplace, It's a sort of chicken-and-egg issue. Those personal issues are part of the operational stress injuries that people receive.

We had a previous witness who talked about training. You mentioned that you're actually using her.

I'm sorry; her name escapes me. Is it Dr. Andersen?

12:35 p.m.

Chief, Peel Regional Police Service, Peel Regional Police

Chief Jennifer Evans

It's Dr. Andersen, yes.

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Do you find that is a useful strategy on the prevention side?

12:35 p.m.

Chief, Peel Regional Police Service, Peel Regional Police

Chief Jennifer Evans

Right now we've just started the research, but our early indication is that it is, because what it's teaching my officers is—it's for use-of-force incidents—how to lower their blood pressure to calm themselves and be more resilient right after dealing with a use-of-force incident. We're hoping we're going to see great results from that.

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Your program has been going since 2008. Do you have any data on changes within your workplace, positive outcomes because of what you've been doing for so many years?

12:35 p.m.

Chief, Peel Regional Police Service, Peel Regional Police

Chief Jennifer Evans

That's a great question. I ask that all the time.

We are tracking sick time. Our sick time continues to increase.

Overall, our morale is higher, and the employees recognize that there are opportunities, as do the family members, because we provide access to family members to come in and benefit from some of the programs. But right now it's difficult to identify how we can measure performance on this.

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

I want to turn to our corrections folks.

You mentioned R2MR, and a number of groups have mentioned it, generally positively.

What other strategies are being used in corrections? There is peer-to-peer, which we were just talking about with firefighting. I don't think any one tool is going to be the magic bullet to solve things. Are there any other strategies that you're using at corrections?

12:35 p.m.

Gord Robertson Vice-President, Union of Canadian Correctional Officers

We've had EAP and CISM for a long time—

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

No acronyms.

12:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Union of Canadian Correctional Officers

Gord Robertson

—the employee assistance program and the critical incident stress management program. Unfortunately, we found those didn't really deal with our problems.

The R2MR is very new to us. We only went to it in October. We're seeing some changes coming from it, but really, that's it. We don't have other programs in place.

That's why we went to the commissioner and said that we need to find solutions to what we're seeing. We saw suicide among our members. As Jason mentioned, we saw a lot of cases in which managers were putting forward to the workers' compensation board that threats of rape are part of your job; that if you're in a bad situation, you're trained to deal with it.

We brought all of those to the commissioner and he is taking it very seriously. Mr. Don Head is taking these seriously.

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

He was here this week, actually, and he shared the suicide stats with us. That's why I'm not asking you for those.

12:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Union of Canadian Correctional Officers

Gord Robertson

He is taking it seriously. We're looking at all options.

The R2MR is a first step. We're trying to find ways to get people engaged, to break down the stigma, to give our people resilience.

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

One thing that has come up is that there is a gap in research between our veterans and the military and first responders. Can you comment on the gap again, concerning corrections officers?

Mr. Godin, I read your comments, after Ontario passed legislation, about how pleased you were that you were included along with the other first responders. Can you comment on how you're unique in terms of this whole issue?

12:40 p.m.

President, Union of Canadian Correctional Officers

Jason Godin

The statistics are pretty interesting. At 17%, in the study done in 1992, we were just behind post-war Vietnam veterans. There was a recent CBC report that put us actually higher, and I don't mean to disrespect my police colleagues and firefighters, but they said we were around 25% to 27%. Ms. MacDonald testified this week here in front of the committee that the statistics were around 36% in a survey that was done.

The numbers are really right off the chart, and I guess when you put those numbers in perspective, they're extremely high in comparison to other first responder occupations. Obviously, we were ecstatic about the presumption that has been passed in Manitoba and Ontario, because correctional officers have never ever in our history been recognized as first responders.

I can't tell you how pleased we were about that, and the fact that these two governments have taken the initiative to say, look, when there's a diagnosis of PTSD, we're going to fast-track these cases, and treat these people and get them back to work. When you look at the numbers overall, we're way up there, and that's why we continue to insist, with every government, that we are first responders, and we're asking governments to recognize us as first responders, because as I said, we're all three inside. We don't disrespect our colleagues, but at the end of the day, we're doing them all. I don't know whether that's a contributing factor to why the rates might be slightly higher than those of other first responder occupations.