Thank you both for being here and also for all your efforts on this. I know you've both spent a lot of time and energy trying to work with our firefighters and ensure their mental health is what it needs to be. I'm deeply troubled to hear about the suicides. We've heard that from corrections. For a department to lose two individuals in seven weeks is tragic, and I'm sure that compounds the issues for the other individuals in that group.
One of the things I wanted to touch on—because I know from talking to people at Oakville Fire that they're incorporating a number of strategies to deal with PTSD and OSI—was R2MR, but also peer-to-peer support. We had one witness who said if we can start getting people comfortable with talking about these things when they're in their most macho kind of environment, then we can find ways of transitioning that into help-seeking behaviour. One of the Oakville firefighters said that once he came out and said these were his issues, he was literally followed out the room by other people who wanted to talk to him. How can the federal government help foster a change in the culture and encourage more of that peer-to-peer support within the organizations?
Either of you can answer.