One other issue we're talking about is that people tend to be overcharged. In terms of plea deals and the other things you're talking about, and how we ended up with this simple possession charge, sometimes the Crown's just flinging whatever can stick at the wall. We shouldn't let that detract from needing to take away any simple possession conviction on the criminal record.
I think it is important to do it in stages. If it's easy, do the ones with just simple possession. But I think what we're both trying to say is that the reality for the constituents we serve is that it won't help very much, so we need to continue to keep engaging with our organizations.
I know NWAC can do the legal education and tell people what's involved, how to apply, where to connect to do that. There are organizations that do this. But we need to get this process started.