In recent years, Cascades has modernized all its platforms. It has migrated to modern platforms, to SAP platforms, among others. With respect to availability, when these systems fail, the intolerance period is about two hours. This means that the plants start shutting down and cease operations after two hours. That is extremely expensive.
You are right. This creates a tremendous dependency. We address that with emergency plans and reconciliation tests with relays or data centres, and also with requirements we have for our service suppliers.