Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Ms. Kingsley and Mr. Sapers, thanks very much for being here.
You've mentioned four different areas. I have questions on each one of them.
I did want to say that it's unfortunate that what happened to Ashley Smith happened, and I'm glad to see that some things are being put in place to try to make sure that those kinds of things don't happen again.
On segregation, I hear you on this, but what's the alternative? With Paul Bernardo, you keep him in segregation, and I think maybe the general public would say that they'd just as soon he was in the general population. It's kind of like having your cake and eating it too. How do you deal with that?