I'm sorry. I only have a minute left, so if could, I'll jump in.
Should we be that worried about a minister having veto power, where the committee, as Minister Goodale said, can use the report itself as a bit of a bully pulpit if the minister repeatedly refuses information? If the provision of information to a secret committee would be injurious to national security, that seems to me to be a very high bar: where the provision of information in and of itself to the secret security-cleared committee would be injurious to national security....
Clause 16 in fact doesn't worry me nearly to the extent that clause 14 does. I wonder if you could comment on that.