Thank you very much.
Thank you, madame and gentlemen, for your presentation.
I want to start with you, Mr. Neve, if I could, because I felt as though there were two different things being said. I'm sure that wasn't your intention, so I just want to unpack it a little bit.
At one point you said that there really doesn't have to be a tension between national security and human rights issues and that the appropriate application of national security concerns would be in favour of human rights being protected, but further to some of the things you said, and having Professor Leuprecht here as well, we have in fact talked about balancing and that there's a natural tension that we strive to balance in our legislation.
I'm a bit confused. I would have thought that Amnesty International's position is human rights at all costs, and everything else be damned. Surely that's the essence of what you're trying to put into the public space. Then others would have a different point of view, and through Hegelian dialogue we come to some sort of synthesis and life moves on. I don't want to put anything into your mouth, so why don't you express it the way you want to express it?