I just want to start by thanking you both for your service and for being here today with your testimony. It's much appreciated.
I first want to start on the encryption piece because when we were doing our study on the national security framework, the chiefs of police were here talking about the need to have access to encrypted data. Then when we subsequently went on the road with the committee across Canada and had further witnesses, we heard overwhelming testimony that encryption isn't what we used to think about during the First World War or Second World War where it's encrypted data and somebody breaks the code and everything's good. It's actually when we give a back door to the good guys, like you folks, we actually are giving a back door to the bad guys as well. I've had numerous conversations with people who work in that field who said that's absolutely true.
You're in a bit of a conundrum here, as you don't want to make it easier for the bad guys to have access to data. I'm just wondering if you want to comment on that and if there's anything in this legislation that would be able to assist you without also assisting the bad guys from getting access to data.
Either of you would be fine.