For example, they use their cyber capabilities without any control, as we discussed with your colleague. We assume that China has more than 200,000 persons operating in cyberspace in one way or another. Some are in government or in the armed forces, while others are in the private sector. This reveals a frame of mind that is entirely different from our own.
I find it hard to say what the third country would be. I prefer to say the third entity consists of groups that focus on terrorism.