I think a lot of things could have been improved if there had been goodwill and more of a creative way to approach these things. I mean, you can see this. I talked to a lot of prisoners during this period, and they kept asking, “Why are you putting the prisoners who are ill in the hole?" That's the former segregation, which is a very untherapeutic environment. At that point, nobody was using the trailers, which make quite nice accommodation for personal family visits. Why not put the sick people in there, where they would be away from the rest and isolated? They could get the treatment they needed without infecting others.
We found throughout that there was a real problem with isolating those who were testing positive for COVID-19 from those who weren't. I think that's why you saw the huge spread, the quick spread, of COVID in those institutions where it took root. There were also fairly inexplicable things like six or seven prisoners from the reception unit at Joyceville who were transferred to other institutions in the Ontario region. They all tested positive. Why they were transferred, I don't know.