Evidence of meeting #106 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Simon Larouche

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

This would go so much more smoothly if Mr. Bittle would refrain from talking over my colleague Mr. Genuis when Mr. Genuis has the floor. If he has something to say, perhaps he can raise a point of order.

It's a constant distraction. I'm sitting literally 10 feet away from my colleague, and with Mr. Bittle's interventions I can't hear what my colleague is saying.... He's doing it again.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald

Thank you, Mr. Brock.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Perhaps a little decorum, Chair, would be very helpful for the efficiency of this meeting.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald

Mr. Genuis, please continue.

May 9th, 2024 / 10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC

On a point of order, as this meeting seems to be winding down, I'm wondering if we can get the unanimous consent of the committee to request an extension of 30 sitting days for the consideration of Bill S-210 and that the chair accordingly present a report to the House.

I should think, considering the importance that our Conservative colleagues seem to place on Bill S-210, that doing a proper study will be most acceptable to them. I wonder if we can get unanimous consent for such a motion.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

No, there isn't unanimous consent. No.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald

Unfortunately, Mr. McKinnon, you didn't get unanimous consent.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, unanimous consent is not required. You need the majority of the committee.

I'd like to move to a recorded vote on this so that we can then continue with Mr. Genuis's conversation—

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

No. That's not correct. That's not correct.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

—which he seems to think is so important and more important than online harms.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald

Thank you, Mr. Noormohamed.

We'll continue with Mr. Genuis.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you.

There are about 15 of the Standing Orders that you proposed to violate all at once, Mr. Noormohamed.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

You're right. It wasn't 15. It was probably three.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

Mr. Genuis is yet again impugning the credibility of members opposite. That's number one.

Number two is that when they purport to care about a piece of legislation while they are clearly filibustering, why would we not just move unanimous consent and move this forward?

Again, I would ask that we give unanimous consent for the extension that has been sought. If they're serious about a conversation about Bill S-210, let's do it, because it's clear that Mr. Genuis is here to run down the clock and not do much else.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald

Thank you, Mr. Noormohamed.

I'm asking for unanimous consent.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

There's no unanimous consent for anything.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald

Continue, Mr. Genuis.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you, Chair.

I'm going to come back to the prison transfer issue, but I want to be clear, because Mr. Noormohamed and others are suggesting things that people can verify as inaccurate if they simply consult the minutes of the last committee meeting and of this committee meeting.

We have moved a motion to resume consideration of the seventh report of the subcommittee and an amendment that I have put forward. The subcommittee report includes a proposal for an extension on the bill he has mentioned. We have not proposed making any changes to that request for an extension. However, we have proposed amending the subcommittee report to also insist on a separate issue, which is the committee report on the transfer of Paul Bernardo. Liberals would rather have, I suspect, a very extended study of anything else to avoid completing the work that was started on the Bernardo prison transfer.

If members would like to deal with these items together, that is what the mechanics of the subcommittee report are designed to allow for, but we will insist, in that context, that the Bernardo prison transfer be addressed as well.

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC

On a point of order, whether we deal with them all together or not, I think what's important is that we get to deal with them at all.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

On a point of order—

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC

I'm speaking.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I'm raising a point of order.

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC

I am speaking.

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald

Let him finish, please.

I've been very generous with everybody.