Evidence of meeting #135 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Iqwinder Gaheer
It's been emailed, I think.
The motion is this:
That, in relation to its study of Indian interference, the committee invite the following witnesses:
1. The Honourable Michelle Rempel Garner, P.C., M.P., Calgary Nose Hill;
2. Mr. Jaskaran Sandhu;
3. Mr. Harkirat Singh.
Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
I have a point of order.
Can you clarify whether there was actually anyone on your speaking list? Despite Mr. Lloyd in his mind wanting to, if he doesn't indicate to the chair, that's not actually a speaking list or a speaking order. If they don't indicate to you, you have no obligation to then ask.
I didn't think.... I even said earlier that if there was no one else on the list.... Nobody put their hand up. I suggested that you call the vote if there was no one else on the list, and no one put their hand up.
If the Conservatives are now disappointed that their mental telepathy didn't go through and that they didn't actually indicate to the chair that they wanted to be on the speaking list, they can challenge you, but I even said it on the record that if there was no one else on the list, you could call the vote.
Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
Mr. Chair, I move that the privileges of members of this committee were violated when the chair proceeded to a vote before elapsing the speakers list.
Conservative
Liberal
Conservative
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Iqwinder Gaheer
I'm going to resume the meeting.
There's a challenge to the chair.
Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
You can raise it in the House. You can't raise it in committee as a challenge.
There's a motion on the floor, which is dilatory, which is a challenge of the chair, so there's no actual debate on it.
Liberal
Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
Mr. Lloyd is now trying to reframe it.
I asked, “Is this a challenge to the chair?” He said, “That's what I'm doing. I'm challenging the chair.” Now they're trying to say that it's a different motion.
There was a challenge to the chair, which is a dilatory motion, and we vote on it. If Mr. Lloyd wants to change that now, it's too late. I even called him on it, and he doubled down, saying it was a challenge to the chair.
Liberal
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Iqwinder Gaheer
The meeting is resumed.
There's a bit of confusion on the floor. Mr. Lloyd, I don't know if you properly moved that motion or not. There's been a bit of back-and-forth. I've been fair to you guys; I did not see you raise your hand. I will bring it back to the point where you can discuss the motion. I think that's where we'll go, because then we can at least talk about the committee business and move forward with that.
We're going to go back. Right now we are at the actual substance of the motion.
Mr. Lloyd, I recognize you, again, because there's a bit of confusion here.
Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I do appreciate your being fair on this, because I believe it would have been a violation of my privilege if we had carried forward with a recorded vote while there were still, in my opinion, members on the speaking list.
Before I get to the substance of the motion, I just want to relate Standing Order 116(2)(a):
Unless a time limit has been adopted by the committee or by the House—
Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
I have a point of order.
Mr. Chair, you have ruled that Mr. Lloyd can have his time back, so I would suggest that he speak to the motion at hand.
Conservative