I'm saying that our counsel are telling me that he did not bring it up at the meeting and he didn't reach out for us to talk about the April 22 call. He met with counsel in order to be prepared on his entire testimony, not just the question of the April 28 meeting or the call of April 22. He didn't raise that, and there's nothing in his notes for us to have raised it with him either. We didn't know that there was that call. We learned about it for the first time when he testified about the call on April 22 at his testimony before this committee and then the commission two days later.
The wellness report either...because it was commissioned a year after the events; I'm not sure by whom, but by the RCMP. He raised it for the first time on July 5. We had never heard of it, and so—