Evidence of meeting #50 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was firearm.
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3:55 p.m.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
Perfect. Thank you.
I would like to turn our attention to the Ruger 10/22. People have expressed concern that among the many weapons that people feel somehow might be caught in this.... Is the Ruger 10/22 on the list?
3:55 p.m.
Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
We're just trying to locate where it is on the list, whether or not there's a specific firearm included in the regulations. There are some 2,000 that are listed right now.
3:55 p.m.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
Perhaps I can save you the trouble. As far as my research is concerned, it's a rim-fire, so it's not going to be caught in the evergreen clause. My understanding is that it's not on the gap list since it's not a military-style firearm. I just want to make sure, when I say it's not on the list, that it's not on the list. If somebody could check, that would be great, but my understanding is that it's not.
There's been discussion that we are taking a blanket approach and coming after all of everybody's shotguns and all of everybody's hunting rifles. Do you think that's a fair characterization?
4 p.m.
Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
I appreciate that the list does include a significant number of firearms that may be used for hunting and sport shooting. However, with the 2,000 firearms that are being prohibited, there would still be, I think, roughly between 19,000 and 20,000 firearms that are non-restricted—
4 p.m.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
It would be 19,000 to 20,000 that are non-restricted. Is that correct?
4 p.m.
Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
That are non-restricted and that may be used for hunting and—
4 p.m.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
For clarity's sake, somebody who wanted to hunt would be able to use one of those somewhere between 19,000 and 20,000 choices. Is that correct?
4 p.m.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
Okay. I just want to make sure, because we heard a lot this weekend, and we've heard a lot that we are coming after all hunting rifles and all shotguns. I just want to make sure we clear up any misinformation out there in that regard.
I just want to share a little bit of information, if I might, and I want you to verify it.
November 29th, 2022 / 4 p.m.
Conservative
Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC
I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.
4 p.m.
Conservative
Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC
I just wanted to know. Is the member actually acknowledging that they are banning some hunting rifles?
4 p.m.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I decided that I would look at the Cabela's catalogue, because I was struck when my colleague said that all hunting rifles and shotguns were being banned. So I thought it was my responsibility as a member of Parliament and a reasonable human being to go and verify if that's true. I looked at the Cabela's catalogue of guns that are available—some of which, by the way, are on sale right now—and I noticed that the Benelli Super Vinci X semi-automatic shotgun is not on the list of guns that are being banned.
Is that correct?
4 p.m.
Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
I'm sorry. You're asking me about a specific firearm. I'd have to come back to you with those answers.
4 p.m.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
If I were to tell you that the RCMP had confirmed that it is not on the list, would you believe the RCMP?
4 p.m.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
Okay. I can confirm that the RCMP has confirmed to me that the Benelli Super Vinci X semi-automatic is indeed not on the list.
We also note the Beretta Xtreme Plus semi-auto shotgun; the Stoeger M3500 semi-auto shotgun; the Beretta 1301 Tactical Gen2 semi-automatic shotgun; the Benelli Super Vinci X, which we talked about already; the Weatherby Element Tungsten Synthetic semi-automatic; the Browning Maxus Stalker shotgun; the Browning Silver Field semi-auto shotgun; the Weatherby Element Waterfowler Max-5 semi-automatic shotgun; the Stoeger M3020; the Charles Daly CA612 M4, and the list goes on.
Is it reasonable to assume that this list of weapons that are available at Cabela's, as an example, would be some of those 19,000 to 20,000 that would be available to those who want to continue hunting?
4 p.m.
Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
I can't speak to any specific make and model.
I can answer questions for you with respect to the schedule and what's on the schedule. Whether or not it's reasonable to assume they are not captured.... That's a technical determination that could be made by the RCMP and the Canadian firearms program.
4 p.m.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
Right.
If the RCMP and others are coming back.... If these guns are not on the list—
4 p.m.
Conservative
Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC
I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.
The firearm that is being referred to by the member is actually on page 98—the Benelli Super Vinci—under the prohibited firearms list.
4 p.m.
Liberal
4 p.m.
Conservative
Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC
I want to speak about the accuracy of what the member is saying.
4 p.m.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
We can debate that.
I received my information from the RCMP, Mr. Chair. If the RCMP is telling me that the Benelli Super Vinci X semi-auto shotgun is 100% good, I don't know what else to say on that matter.
