Evidence of meeting #51 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was firearms.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Phaedra Glushek  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Murray Smith  Technical Specialist, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Paula Clarke  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Rachel Mainville-Dale  Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

I can't hear. Is there any sound?

11:15 a.m.

Technical Specialist, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Murray Smith

Do I need to repeat, Mr. Chair?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Sir, please repeat your answer. The member couldn't hear you.

11:15 a.m.

Technical Specialist, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Murray Smith

The Benelli R1 rifle is not listed in either schedule 1 or schedule 2.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Okay.

Let's go to the next example.

Is the Remington model 742 Woodsmaster hunting rifle on the list to be prohibited?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Mr. Zimmer—

December 1st, 2022 / 11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Tony Van Bynen Liberal Newmarket—Aurora, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. I'm going to say “props”.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

I'm just trying to help our witnesses more quickly recall which firearms are on the list.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Does the—

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Tony Van Bynen Liberal Newmarket—Aurora, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, a prop is a prop and should not be permitted.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I didn't quite hear the—

Thank you, Mr. Van Bynen.

The Standing Orders are against the use of props. They pertain in the committee room, so I would ask you to—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

It's an image of one of the firearms listed on the amendment. My hope is that it will aid our witnesses.

I'll go on and read off the actual model.

Is the Remington model 742 Woodsmaster hunting rifle on the prohibited list?

11:15 a.m.

Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Phaedra Glushek

Again, I think it would be helpful to point out which paragraph it's in on the list, and whether it's on 1 to 96, which just codifies previously prohibited firearms, or is it on the new 400—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

With respect, the questions are for Mr. Smith and Mr. Daly. I would ask that they answer these questions.

You were here at the last meeting and you were unable to answer most of my questions, frankly.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

That's why they're here. I'm directing my questions to the witnesses who can answer my questions.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Go ahead, Mr. Van Bynen, on a point of order.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Tony Van Bynen Liberal Newmarket—Aurora, ON

It wasn't my point of order. I'll turn it over to Taleeb. I think it was his point of order.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I'm sorry. Go ahead on somebody's point of order.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I think it would behoove us all if we could perhaps not harass the witnesses, who are trying to be helpful. I just think our tone should respect the witnesses who are here giving us their time.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you, Mr. Noormohamed.

Mr. Zimmer, go ahead. You may specifically ask the witnesses that you want to answer questions. Ultimately, it's the chair's prerogative to recognize who is speaking. I understand that—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

[Inaudible—Editor] Mr. Chair, and I respect you for that.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Please don't interrupt me, sir.

I certainly understand that you would like the Canadian Firearms Program to answer these particular questions, so go ahead.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Thank you.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Do you need a re-ask, Mr. Smith?