Yes. Most of the jobs in the penitentiaries have very little value in terms of vocational skills. Most of it is cleaning. Kitchen work with the new cook-chill...isn't really that great a skill to acquire.
The best program that the service has is called CORCAN. It's a prison industry program, but it only reaches less than 10% of the carceral population, and 80% of that is in textiles. They're basically using sewing machines, and I guess it's better than idling in their cell. The skills may nevertheless provide some legitimate skills in terms of making sure that they show up at work on time. It doesn't have transferable skills to the Canadian job market. We're not big on sewing jobs in Canada, with respect to sewing bed sheets or underwear or cheap jeans.
We have to do better.
CORCAN, however, has pockets involving typically a handful of individuals who are very good and who are working with the private sector. Sometimes, depending on whether they have work releases, they can actually go to those sites, but it involves so few individuals. This is the biggest challenge, I think, for the service. It's trying to expand those and make them so much more accessible. Right now it's to the benefit of only a few, and those few typically already have skills, so they're benefiting from vocational training, but they already have the training and the rigour—