Evidence of meeting #64 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was magazine.
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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
There's nothing in the amendment that changes the current law around antique firearms.
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Conservative
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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
I'm sorry. Your question is....
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Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
It's World War II era. That's 1939 to 1945, so it's not covered under “antique firearm”. It's not technically.... Maybe it's a replica firearm, but these are real cannons, I believe. With the joules and bore diameter, could these firearms be banned under an amendment like this?
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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
In the proposed amendment, if these were actually regulated firearms.... If they had a velocity over 152.4 metres per second and a muzzle velocity in excess of 5.7, then they would be regulated firearms.
If you had a replica of a regulated firearm, then it would be prohibited.
The example that you gave would have to exactly resemble a regulated firearm.
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Conservative
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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
That's in order to be captured. If your example does not meet the definition of a regulated firearm, then it would not be a replica.
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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
That would be the threshold.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Seeing no more speakers, shall we vote on this amendment?
(Amendment agreed to)
Thank you very much.
That being the case—
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NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I will be wishing Mr. MacGregor a happy birthday on behalf of this committee.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
I actually meant to say that before I got carried away with saying, “The motion is carried.” I'm so excited with all the motions we've been passing in the last few minutes.
I want to also join with you in wishing Mr. MacGregor a happy birthday. I expect the whole committee would like to wish Mr. MacGregor a happy birthday. One more successful trip around the sun is always good news. Thank you, all.
BQ-2 cannot be moved because it affects the same lines.
CPC-2 cannot be moved.
That brings us to G-5.
Oh, yes, there's a very important part that I missed.
Shall clause 1 carry?
(Clause 1 as amended agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Now we will go to G-5, which is standing in the name of Mr. Noormohamed.
Ms. Damoff.
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Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
Thanks.
Because my colleague Mr. Noormohamed is not here right now, I'm going to do what Mr. Julian just did and move it on his behalf. I know it's an issue that both he and Mr. Schiefke care a great deal about.
We've already passed one amendment to do with ghost guns, 3-D printed firearms, or, as I think the police call them, privately manufactured firearms. We have a whole bunch of these.
So that you know, Chair, I'll move them in Mr. Noormohamed's absence, unless Mr. Schiefke wants to move one.
This is incredibly important for law enforcement. I hope everyone can agree. What these amendments do is add the words “firearm part” to different sections of legislation to ensure that these privately manufactured 3-D printed guns are not able to be used in the commission of crime.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Thank you, Ms. Damoff.
Does anyone wish to speak to this amendment?
(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We'll go on to G-6, also standing in the name of Mr. Noormohamed.
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Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
I was wondering if my colleague Mr. Schiefke wanted to move this one.
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Liberal
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Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
Similar to G-5, this is another addition of the words “firearm part”, so I won't talk about it a lot. I just did.
I hope we can all vote in favour of this one.
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Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
While Conservatives support expanding the maximum sentence for those who commit crimes in relation to the trafficking of weapons and firearms, we are deeply concerned about the watering down of some mandatory minimums, and we note that nobody has ever actually received a maximum sentence. It is our hope that we see stronger penalties for those who commit these acts that are causing violence in our communities, which are unacceptable.
Thank you.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Thank you, Mr. Lloyd.
Are there any other speakers?
Ms. Damoff, go ahead, please.
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Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
To quickly comment on that, legislation doesn't.... Judges make the determination of the sentence, not elected officials.
I was incorrect about the...this increases the sentence to 14 years from 10 years, as it is currently associated with weapons trafficking. My own personal cheat sheet was wrong in what I had written about it being ghost guns. This increases the penalty to 14 years from 10 years.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Thank you, Ms. Damoff.
Is there any further discussion?
(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We'll move on to G-7, which is also in the name of Mr. Noormohamed.
It's Ms. Damoff, I believe. Go ahead.
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Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
I'm sorry. Chair, we just did G-6, didn't we? Okay.
G-7, similar to the previous amendment, amends the Criminal Code offence of transfer without authority to include the transferring of a firearm part, which is all tied to ghost guns.
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Liberal
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Conservative
Alex Ruff Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON
For the officials, so that it's clear.... We discussed this briefly on Tuesday, and I know they're future amendments, but as long as you have.... This isn't going to require you to have an ATT to move the part. As long as you have your PAL or RPAL, you're good to go.
Is that correct?
