I know.
Evidence of meeting #74 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
A video is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #74 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
A video is available from Parliament.
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Conservative
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
I think that would be out of order, as we're talking about Bill C-20 right now, Ms. Ferreri.
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Conservative
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Conservative
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Mr. Genuis has the floor right now. Should we continue on with debate?
There is a point of order from Mr. Lloyd.
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Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
Thank you.
I'm going to request unanimous consent. The witnesses have gone. Discussion on Bill C-20 might be pointless at this point. I think we could use this time. I'm asking for unanimous consent to discuss a potentially revised motion that we can all accept in the remaining 40 or 30 minutes of this meeting. Then we can move on to Bill C-20.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
There's no unanimous consent.
Mr. Genuis, it's back to you.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Thank you, Chair.
I'll just say briefly that I think—
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Mr. Genuis, can I just remind you that we need you to stick closely to Bill C-20, please?
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Absolutely, Chair, I will stick within the rules, which are to speak to the motion as well as the context of the motion. I know those rules very well. They don't require me to reference Bill C-20 in, say, every sentence. In debate in the House, you'll see members who draw on philosophical texts and go on at great length to set the stage for subsequent points.
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Bloc
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Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
I want to make sure I understand. Are we talking about a new motion? Have we received it in both official languages? I have to say that I've kind of lost track.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Yes, and he has read it out twice. Did you get it the last time he read it out?
Ms. O'Connell asked for it to be read out, and he did read it out again.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
No one has it in writing, but I thought the translation would have come through.
Do you want him to do it one more time, Ms. Michaud? Tell me if the translation comes through.
I'm sorry, Mr. Genuis. Could you read your motion one more time? Hopefully—
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Bloc
Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
If Mr. Genuis wants us to vote on his motion, the least he can do is send it to us in both official languages.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
We're not voting on it right now. Do we need to get that...?
Procedurally, we don't need it in writing right now. We can just do it verbally. That's what the clerk is telling me, Ms. Michaud.
Go ahead, Mr. Genuis.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Would members like me to read it again, though? I'm happy to.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Did you want it read one more time, Ms. Michaud, for clarification? Are you sure?
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Okay. If there's no need to read the motion again, I'll be brief if I'm not interrupted, but I will be longer if I am interrupted. I would like to be able to quickly get out there the ideas that I want to get out there.
It is simply that my colleagues who are regular members of this committee have been trying to work towards a solution that would allow one meeting before Bill C-20 is completed to allow representatives of victims' families to tell their stories before this committee. We have members of the Liberal Party who are no doubt deeply embarrassed by their failure here and their failures on crime more broadly, so they are trying to silence representatives of the families of the victims. That is a crying shame.
Conservatives will not apologize for standing up for victims' families, for standing with victims' families and insisting that they be heard, and for using the tools and the leverage we have to ensure that they are heard.
