Evidence of meeting #76 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.
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Liberal
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Conservative
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Conservative
Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
What was the big speech we just had in the House about accusing someone of lying?
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Liberal
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Conservative
Leslyn Lewis Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON
I have a point of order, Chair.
I want to draw your attention to rule 10, rule 16 and rule 18. Those all deal with decorum and with how we communicate with each other.
Mr. Bittle referred to my colleagues as liars. That is contrary to the rules, and I'm going to ask that he be admonished for that.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
I didn't hear any such thing, but if he feels the need to apologize, I'm sure he will do so.
Let us try to get through this.
Mr. Shipley, you still have the floor.
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Conservative
Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
Thank you, Chair.
I agree. I heard those exact words, too.
Anyway, I know there are other people who want to speak to this. I'm really hoping we can get through this today. I don't think it is a huge change. I'll leave it at that and see where it goes.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Thank you, Mr. Shipley.
The debate is now on Mr. Shipley's amendment to Mr. Julian's motion.
Up next we have Mr. Motz.
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Conservative
Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB
I heard the same comment, as a matter of reference to what was just said about referring to us as liars.
I am troubled by the circus that we have. Every circus has a monkey, and I guess there are some of them across the way, right over there.
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Liberal
Peter Schiefke Liberal Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC
On a point of order, I would just like to say that I resent any of us being referred to as a monkey. If I were any animal, I would be an elephant, at the very least.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
I'd admonish everyone to keep their remarks civil and polite.
Mr. Motz, please carry on.
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NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
Mr. Chair, I'm very embarrassed for our witnesses, who've come now four times. If there is going to be another filibuster today, I think we certainly owe it to them, given their important work in public safety and protecting Canadians, to let them go.
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Liberal
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Liberal
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Liberal
Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON
I have optimism. I agree with Mr. Julian that typically we should let the witnesses go, but I take Mr. Shipley at his word that he cares about the witnesses and their time. For three meetings in a row, he's had about 10 to 20 of them here. Since he has this new-found love for witnesses' time, I think we should keep the witnesses here, because I really have optimism that Mr. Shipley and the Conservatives intend to keep this short and that we will get through it and get to Bill C-20. If they're going to filibuster, then they'll filibuster, but I take them at their word that this is going to be fast.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
May I speak to the same point of order, Chair?
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Liberal
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Thank you, Chair.
In terms of the witnesses' time, the curious thing about today's meeting is that the chair invited a group of witnesses and yet also ruled that the Bernardo case was the matter at hand. In the interest of preserving the witnesses' time, I would suggest that if the chair's view is that the matter at hand is the matter of the Bernardo transfer, then he shouldn't also invite witnesses—
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
It's curious to invite witnesses on a different topic from what he has ruled to be the matter at hand.