That's fine. Thank you, Chair.
As I was saying with regard to paragraph 21, the committee was seized with this now novel interpretation of a broader definition, and that became a theme of the evidence given by ministers and senior officials. What's interesting is that when the ministers and some senior government officials provided their testimony before the Special Joint Committee on the Declaration of Emergency in early 2022, there was no mention from any of them when questioned about that very high threshold that is required in section 2 of the act. There was no mention by any of them of this broader interpretation or broader definition. In fact, it was only when Lametti, Freeland, Mendicino, Trudeau and other government officials testified at the Rouleau commission—