Public Safety Committee on Feb. 5th, 2024

[Glen Motz, Conservative, Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB]

Yes.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

Okay. I think that's significant enough.

Carry on, Mr. Motz.

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

I have a point of order.

I challenge the chair and I ask for a recorded division.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

We'll have a recorded vote.

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

Mr. Chair, before you start, can you please remind everybody that, if I'm correct, a “no” vote means you don't sustain the chair's ruling?

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

I'll ask the clerk to clarify.

I ruled the motion in order.

[The Clerk]

The question is, shall the decision of the chair be sustained?

(Ruling of the chair overturned: nays 7; yeas 3)

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

Mr. Julian.

[Peter Julian, NDP, New Westminster—Burnaby, BC]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

We only have 11 minutes left. I know it's a hard stop at 6 p.m. It's certainly a hard stop for most members. I would suggest that we divide the time among the three parties that haven't yet had questions, perhaps three minutes each.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

Okay, I have 10 minutes left. I have 5:50 p.m., so we'll do five minutes each.

Is that fair, Mr. Julian?

[Peter Julian, NDP, New Westminster—Burnaby, BC]

Well, that takes us to 6:05 p.m.—

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

Oh, I'm sorry. That's good Conservative math.

We'll do two and a half or three minutes each.

Ms. O'Connell, you're up first.

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to the witnesses for being here.

Once again, unfortunately, we see how unserious the Conservatives are when it comes to cyber safety—

[Glen Motz, Conservative, Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

Ms. O'Connell, hold on just a moment, please.

Mr. Motz.

[Glen Motz, Conservative, Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB]

You know, it's really quite interesting to hear from the other side—

[Chris Bittle, Liberal, St. Catharines, ON]

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[Glen Motz, Conservative, Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB]

Mr. Bittle, you can have your turn.

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

Mr. Bittle, you don't have the floor.

[Chris Bittle, Liberal, St. Catharines, ON]

Neither do you.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

Gentlemen, order, please. We're almost through this.

Let's get through this.

[Glen Motz, Conservative, Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB]

If you want to have the floor, you can ask for it.

On my point of order, Mr. Chair, it's really surprising that we have the narrative from Ms. O'Connell about our concern about cybersecurity. In fact, I think nothing can be further from the truth. The fact is—

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

This is debate, Mr. Chair.

[Glen Motz, Conservative, Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB]

It's not debate at all. I'm making a comment. Please—

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

That's literally debate.