Evidence of meeting #92 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was cybersecurity.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Mr. Motz, let's maintain order, please. Let's quickly get to your point.
Do you have a point?
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Conservative
Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB
Yes, I do actually.
The fact that Ms. O'Connell speaks for us is an embarrassment to the Conservative Party of Canada. She doesn't speak for us. We do take this matter very seriously, and we'll see—
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
Thank you.
I'm only 12 seconds in. I'm keeping track.
Through the chair to the witnesses, again, apologies—
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Ms. O'Connell, just one moment, please. We did have an agreement that our last nine minutes would be broken up evenly, so we will keep breaking them up as we go.
How many minutes are left now?
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
I'm 22 seconds in. My time has been interrupted for points of order, so I have three minutes.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
For clarification, do you want to take the Bloc's and the NDP's time, or do you want to divvy up what's left now?
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
I have three minutes, which is what was agreed to. If your side would like to keep interrupting to shut me down—
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Conservative
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
—then it demonstrates exactly my point of how unserious you are about cybersecurity and anything dealing with crime and safety in this country.
Go ahead. Cut my time. Cut me off. Silence me.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
You're actually eating into your time. I'm not silencing you at all. I'm letting you speak freely right now. Everybody's listening.
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
So I will continue. I've spoken for 22 seconds out of my three minutes. If you're going to try to silence me—
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Conservative
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
Nobody cares about your poll, Mr. Chair. I would ask that you run a meeting as a proper chair. I was given three minutes—
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
This is absolutely disgusting and unparliamentary on so many levels. The ad hominem attacks against our chair and members of the Conservative side are deplorable, and Canadians are watching this behaviour of Ms. O'Connell and Mr. Bittle. The only person we have respect for right now is Mr. McKinnon. He's actually taking this seriously.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Thank you, Mr. Brock.
Go ahead, Ms. O'Connell. Continue, please.
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
Thank you. I'll continue.
The Conservatives are doing the work for me in showing how unserious they are.
Mr. Warnell, I'm going to try to at least get a question on the record. To all our witnesses, we're very interested in amendments. Comments have been made that there are things that can be done to improve this bill, but overall we need a cybersecurity plan to deal with critical infrastructure. We're very open to amendments and having those conversations about where we can strengthen this. However, unless we hear testimony, unless we go through this process, unless there are questions and amendments suggested, we can't propose those amendments to the government. This little demonstration here, this fake outrage, is really disappointing to see, because critical infrastructure is at risk.
Mr. Warnell, I come from a host nuclear community myself, and my residents share the concerns around the risk to critical infrastructure, nuclear, and supply chains. You brought up at the very beginning the risk to cancer patients for the critical isotopes that are produced. Can you perhaps speak to not only critical infrastructure but the upstream of the supply chain, if the immaturity of certain members can't get us through this process to allow amendments and testimony.
5:55 p.m.
Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Ms. O'Connell, could we please keep it professional and stop personal attacks on anybody in this room?
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
Mr. Chair, you're not the arbiter of what I say. It is parliamentary.
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Conservative
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
I still have a minute, and I would like the witness to answer.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
No, you have 18 seconds, according the clerk. He's keeping time.
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
No, I have spoken for two minutes. You're counting interruptions from the Conservatives against my time.
I'd like Mr. Warnell, who has sat here for the duration of this meeting, to answer my question about the safety and security of critical infrastructure in nuclear communities.